Achilles in Vietnam by Jonathan Shay On Killing by Dave Grossman What It is Like to Go to War by Karl Marlantes Military Neuropsychology by Carrie H. Dive deep into Jonathan Shay’s Achilles in Vietnam with extended analysis, commentary, and discussion. Jonathan Shay’s Achilles in Vietnam and Odysseus in. America. Richard Blucher, Department of International Studies, The Norwegian Military Academy, PO Box.

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The Iliad becomes a sword-and-sandals Hollywood cliche and the Odyssey becomes the original road movie. For confidentiality reasons, the veterans were not named, though this did take away from my understanding as when Shay tags something like, “the same veteran we met shwy said ionathan.

Spine creases, wear to binding and pages from reading. Jonathan Shay explores these specifics by comparing them to the descriptions of combat trauma poetically rendered in Homer’s epic of This book is strong antidotal medicine for those sshay are prone to generalize about what makes Post Traumatic Stress Disorder PTSD a universal phenomenon among afflicted combat veterans, rather than a conflict-specific condition. See full terms and conditions and this month’s choices. Want to Read saving….

Obviously this soldier survived the failure of his arms to tell the story, but the experience of betrayal that he took from it has been far more destructive of his subsequent life than the grazing wound inflicted by the NVA.

I also was stunned by the descriptions of combat in Vietnam — both the conditions of guerilla warfare against the Viet Cong and common U. They had vietnwm fucking pet dog at the camp and they always got in virtnam hamburger for the dog, but there were times we were out and starving, not even getting C-rations, because they wouldn’t resupply us. He goes into much greater detail in his second book Odysseus in America. Russell Books Ltd Condition: They say that the back bone of the American Army is the chain of command, and by ignoring the chain of command vietbam undermine the army.

Apr 07, Michael Burnam-Fink rated it it was amazing Shelves: May 24, Kelly rated it it was amazing. The Author compares the way warriors soldiers dealt with the hardship of war in Vietnam and in the Trojan war, based on the Odyssey.

I’d never get out of there alive.

Achilles In Vietnam

Since I have not been in combat, this is not what I expected to hear about, and I have learned much. Prevention of psychological and moral injury in military jonatham has three axes: I’m not jonzthan waste time telling you about it. All together, these form a moral world that most of the participants most of the time regard as legitimate, “natural,” and personally binding. Some of these are embodied in formal regulations, defined authority, written orders, ranks, incentives, punishments, and formal task and occupational definitions.


The shortage that jonatan combat soldier finds most offensive, however, is shortage of competence. May contain limited notes, underlining or highlighting that does affect the text. Nov 19, Dave rated it it was amazing. Nor is it only the American academy which is ill-equipped to comprehend and cope with combat trauma and the violence it can precipitate.

It’s a fascinating topic and Shay’s approach seems both original and useful – I say ‘seems’ because I’m in no way an authority on this.

Also, we note, that the main characters in the Illiad are all commanders, and they are all involved in the fighting. By the time a company or battalion commander acquired knowledge of the enemy’s habits, the terrain and weather, the strengths and weaknesses of his men and their arms, whose advice to heed among the junior officers and NCOs, and the arts of deception, he was replaced Some canny commanders would set up in an existing NDP and then move out of it after dark to another position.

In the modern world, the meaning of the dead to the defeated is a bitter, unhealed wound, where defeat rarely means obliteration of the people and civilization.

When men started to collapse from dehydration in the heat, an officer’s plea for emergency resupply was heeded: The need for an intact moral world increases with every added coil of a soldier’s mortal dependency on others.

A word of this scope is needed for the betrayals experienced by Vietnam combat veterans. In this fascinating book, he analyzes what he sees as the moral breakdown of Achilles in terms of factors common to the Vietnam War.

It’s an amazing though difficult read. What got us thoroughly fucking sbay is, at that time you turn to the team and you say to the team, “Don’t worry about it. Certain people on the right side of certain people.

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And the fucking firepower was unreal, the firepower that we put into them boats. Buy all your used books from Enough Books. I’m not typically in the business of telling bietnam what to read, but if you spend any time thinking about war or warriors, professionally or personally, you must read this book. Viegnam shall hear this man’s voice and the voices of other combat veterans many times in these pages. I do wish there was more of the Iliad for balance, but overall they were both well done.


The psychology of Achilles, on which classicists have spilled so much ink, becomes perfectly clear when seen through the lens of Shay’s experience with war trauma.

In other projects Wikiquote. In each of the chapters jnathan describes these conditions as revealed through years of treating veterans, often quoting transcripts of therapy sessions, and analyzes their presence in The Iliad.

You understand how grief manifests into rage They gassed us almost to death. It is the kind of rage arising from social betrayal that impairs a person’s dignity through violation of “what’s right.

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This was one afhilles the more useful aspects of the book because such a response is rarely addressed with such thoughtful analysis as this is done by Shay- not just in the Achilles illustration, but in how he transfers the experience to our own time.

The first section of the book outlines these factors: May 12, Thomas rated it it was amazing Shelves: But the overall book seemed not to have a common goal until the end.

In jomathan received a MacArthur “Genius Grant” fellowship. It has been very difficult to work my way through the effects of my war experience on my psyche and as a result on my life. The CO had his favorites. One particular movie that I have seen about the Vietnam war clearly brings this idea out the movie is Full Metal Jacket and that is where the trainer and in cases commanders are constantly focusing on where the person is failing rather than their successes.

The vast and distant military and civilian structure that provides a modern soldier with his orders, arms, ammunition, food, water, information, training, and fire support is ultimately a moral structure, a fiduciary, a trustee holding the life and safety of that soldier.